Had a look at the results over 13 years of play off results, and I was surprised at the stats:

Saints 19 wins 11 losses
Wigan 18/11
Bradford 14/9
Leeds 14/14
Catalan 3/2
Hull 3/8
Cas 2/4
Warrington 1/4
Wakefield 1/2

No-one else has won a play-off game.

Unfortunately we have only converted this to 1 GF win, but this enforces the fact that we are generally fearsome in play off football. A top 4 slot is essential and would surely see us as serious contenders.

As a Saints fan I hate to agree with you but you are right there

We haven't converted into enough Grand Final wins but we've constantly not had a good enough regular season to do that.

Why have Saints won 4 Grand Finals? Because they have consitently had good regular seasons. Same for Leeds in recent years and Bradford when they had their good run earlier in the decade.

The regular season sets up your play off push. Brian Noble never grasped that in his time at week. It was even more important last season with the new format. I think in hindsight now both Leeds and Saints would have been relieved to avoid us in Week 1 of the play offs. I firmly believe have we finished top 4 we would have made the Grand Final ahead of Saints.

Failure to convert is what cost Brian Noble his job.

The league is not a strong one so basically winning a few play offs in games that do not count for the big one is a sign of mediocrity, we must kick on from this, under the new man, the same counts for Challenge Cup games we have to convert the big ones.

I think that is enough proof to say that league positions have let us down big time. Had we won at saints we would have the best play-off record, only 1 game in it.

We have always had too much to do come the play-offs, the last 3 years we have just run out of steam at the final hurdle. It's hard to think we could of been in the last 3 grand finals because on the field our team does not look that good.

Hopefully next season under new coaches we can get into the top 4 and win our first game, that would really set us up to get to old trafford.

Yeah but how many times have we played teams finishing 4th/5th/6th/7th in the playoffs compared to Saints who always play teams finsihing 1st/2nd/3rd?

Stats can dress anything up to look good. Thats why the playoffs are nonsense, The team finshing top is the best team, the team finishing 5th/6th/7th/8th can't possibly be the best can they????????????????

Our defeats have pretty much all come in the 'big' game of either the semi final or the final.

We've tended to win all the lesser play off games but have really struggled when it's come to the crunch.

Take also into consideration that we have played a few less play-off series than a couple of other teams.

We just lose the big games!

It's better than not getting to them.

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How many fnals have you been to in the last 5 seasons ?

They're the BIG games!

Ok they are bigger than semi finals but to say semi finals are not big is just stupid IMO.